Interview questions for your doctor

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This list is some SAMPLE questions that you can ask your prospective doctor to get an idea of if they will be willing to do the right things for you. These may or may not apply to your situation, edit the list to suit your needs!


Do use a 4-point saliva test to evaluate cortisol?

Do you use free T3, free T4, reverse T3?

Do you tested BOTH antibodies?

Do you use ultrasounds to look for thyroid disease or areas of concern?

Are you willing to use physiological replacement doses of NDT and T3.
This can mean;
T3 doses of 75 micrograms a day or higher in some cases.
NDT in the 3-5 grain range.

Do you understand the significance of reverse T3 and how to address the issues that cause elevated reverse T3?

Are you willing to use a physiological replacement dose of hydrocortisone if necessary for severely low cortisol levels? (30mg a day range is what women typically report needing)

Are you willing to use florinef for aldosterone which is below about mid-range?

Do you understand TSH will be near zero when on NDT / T3 and dosing is by watching Free T3, Free T4, reverse T3?

Do you understand nutritional aspects to testing, such as testing RBC selenium, RBC potassium, etc?

Do you charge for brief follow-up questions with you or your nurse via e-mail?

Do you understand the importance of diet and gut health and work with patients to formulate an approach to improving gut health and to do testing if needed?

Can you test / read an organic acids test if needed?

When dealing with infections, do you tend to focus on more natural methods such as herbals or do you go straight to antibiotics? If you prefer herbals, will you consider antibiotics if they become necessary?

How to Find a Good Doctor For Thyroid Patients

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The following information is shared with you by fellow patients / reported by patients. This information is to be used at your discretion. You and you alone are responsible for you choices in regards to your medical care. By using this site, you agree to hold harmless the site owners / operators for any and all results of use of this information.

You are not feeling well and suspect it may be your thyroid. If you have had much experience with conventional doctors, you likely have realized that it’s not as simple as working with the first doctor you find. .

The patients who have gotten better have told us over and over they have had to put in effort to find a good doctor. Sometimes these doctors are covered by insurance, sometimes you have to pay cash. But you always always have to search to find that doctor that will partner with you and do the right things.

Remember even once you find a good doctor, it’s still about advocating for your needs!

Functional medicine or integrative medicine doctors are often better than average, but as stated elsewhere here, do your research and make sure they will do the right things for you.

I suggest you use this page as a reference (use what applies to you) for some questions to find out if your prospective doctor may do the right things.

Next, some tips:

One of the best things we have found, that is discussed on the above page, is to try calling a pharmacy and ask who is prescribing T3 in your area. This is NOT private information. Try a different pharmacy if needed.

What about going to an Endocrinologist?

Patients have told us over and over that Endos don’t do the right things to get them optimal. It’s usually about looking for a different type of licensed medical doctor. We advocate for working with a licensed professional who can prescribe, but that usually isn’t an endocrinologist.

Additional Resources:

Some additional resources. THIS IS NOT AN ENDORSEMENT OF THE DOCTORS LISTED ON THESE PAGES. This are resources to help guide you and give you doctors to look into. As is discussed in the above video you need to do your research and find one to partner with you. This may mean trying more than one doctor to find the right fit.

PLEASE ENSURE THE DOCTOR YOUR LOOKING AT IS A LICENSED DOCTOR AND NOT SOME KIND OF PRACTITIONER. Thyroid patients need someone who is licensed and can prescribe.

MAKE SURE YOU GO IN AS AN INFORMED PATIENT AND ADVOCATE FOR YOUR NEEDS!

Thyroid Change
www.thyroidchange.org

Functional Medicine Doctors– only want those who can prescribe. Ignore the chiros, pharmacists, etc. Be sure to expand the range to 150 miles
https://www.ifm.org/find-a-practitioner/

The American College for Advancement in Medicine (ACAM) is a not-for-profit organization dedicated to educating physicians and other health care professionals on the safe and effective application of integrative medicine
www.acam.org

Alliance for Natural Health
http://www.anh-usa.org/find-a-practitioner/

Paleo Physicians Network
http://paleophysiciansnetwork.com/doctors

Doctors who prescribe LDN (not a comprehensive list)
https://www.ldnscience.org/patients/find-a-doctor

http://www.ldnresearchtrust.org/LDN_Pharmacists

LDN Doctor- get your prescription online
www.ldndoctor.com 

Have you worked through these resources?

If you are a member of our facebook group and you have exhausted the above resources, you can message Nicole to find out who we have on our list of patient reported doctors. (patient report is KEY. We can not guarantee these doctors will be good, but they are generally better than average as patients have reported these names as being better than average). You MUST send Nicole your state / region / area you live in our you won’t get a response! New: You must include the code word zebra in order to get a response. This is due to the overwhelming amount of people who are not reading this page and are simply looking for us to do all the work. Thank you!

Please allow up to 2 weeks for her to respond as she gets a lot of requests. Thank you.

How to Heal (Thyroid, Hashimotos, Adrenal Fatigue)

The following is written by fellow patients.  It is up to YOU how to and if you choose to use any of this information.  We always suggest working with a good doctor to decide exactly what is right / safe for you!  We are patients sharing information and don’t claim to be anything else.

This is a work in progress. This has been one of my most popular posts that I’ve now moved to the web so it can be shared and easily added to / edited. Suggest additions / ask questions in the comments please.

We only ever suggest products we believe in and often what we use ourselves as fellow patients.

How to heal:

1: I’ll be blunt, but needs to be said: Stop thinking someone else or some doctor will fix you. They won’t. They can partner with you, help you on your journey, do tests, give meds, but you NEED to be able to advocate for what you need.

This means spending time learning. We give you solid information to help guide you as does STTM. You need to be able to do your part in this journey to get better.

Stay on your journey! Yes, you can be more relaxed with parts of your journey in time, but for most of us this isn’t something you fix in a few months and forget about it.

Focus on experience of what has worked for thousands of others and stop chasing what some expert claims, yes they may have a place at times, but they miss the boat a lot too.

Tips to help with the Above:

a: Use the AFTC group: http://bit.ly/AFTCgroups (Fellow patients helping each other)
b: Buy the Stop the Thyroid Madness book: http://bit.ly/2IKZ962 (about $20)
c: Please read https://stopthethyroidmadness.com  This website is a wealth of information and is FREE. MUCH of what we share here is based on the above web site.
d: Once in the group;  Look at the group files.  There is a wealth of information and links there that would take you weeks and weeks to study.  Note there are links in the files to external sites, this is NOT an endorsement of those sites as a whole, we are just sharing a specific page we have found with relevant information.

2: Endos don’t do the right things for thyroid patients 99.8% of the time. If yours is the rare exception, that’s great, but it’s like winning the lottery to find an endo that does the right things to get us optimal. Most won’t even test right.

Look for a thyroid literate doctor or other open minded physician that will work with you. Healing usually includes thyroid meds and it’s critical we find a doc who will prescribe in most cases. This can take some effort!!!

Call pharmacies and ask who prescribes NDT / T3.  If they won’t tell you, try a different one. This is NOT HIPAA protected and in fact in some cases online databases disclose prescribing information.  

Watch this video:

3: Learn and advocate for what you need. Doctors are virtually never caught up with all we have learned. Read the STTM book: http://bit.ly/2IKZ962

4: In range is NOT optimal. Learn about optimal values and stop focusing on being “in-range” https://stopthethyroidmadness.com/lab-values/

5: Stop thinking TSH is more useful than it is. It has very limited uses: https://stopthethyroidmadness.com/tsh-why-its-useless/

6: Yes reverse T3 matters and yes it needs to be tested unless someone is on a TSH suppressive dose of T3 only.https://stopthethyroidmadness.com/reverse-t3/

7: Use Saliva testing for cortisol NOT blood. Make sure to prepare properly or it’s a waste of money. https://adrenalfatigueandthyroidcare.com/2018/01/09/what-patients-have-learned-about-saliva-testing/

8: Don’t guess what adrenal supplements you need. Patients say using random adaptogens alone rarely do the trick. Guessing will take 50 times longer and almost never makes sense to do.  See #7 about testing.

9: Don’t get hung up on semantics, call it what you want Adrenal fatigue, HP axis dysfunction, etc.  It’s real and quantifiable with the above testing (search pubmed and look how often saliva cortisol was used in research)

10: Practice good sleep hygiene. I suggest you either:

A: Wear orange glasses for a couple hours before bed each night (They are cheap): https://adrenalfatigueandthyroidcare.com/…/blocking-blue-l…/

OR

B: Avoid TV, phone, artificial lighting, etc. for a couple hours prior to bed

OR

C: Bare minimum put screen filters on your phone / computer and turn down the brightness on your TV.

11: Focus on real whole foods and avoid things your allergic to. Cook at home! If you have to eat prepared food, look for things like freezer meals with clean ingredients. Eat the best quality you can afford, but don’t stress yourself out if you can’t always find / afford organic. Even eating real whole foods you’re ahead of 99% of the people out there who are eating garbage.

Use fermented foods, bone broth, milk kefir, etc if you do well with it. (They are just food!!!)

12: Work on Gut health! Diet as mentioned above is HUGE!

Some potential options to consider, this is NOT to say these are all right for every person:

A: Use probiotics at least until you’re better (good ones like Megaspore or similar high quality options),

B: Eat a variety of fiber from plants (does not have to be huge amounts to help the microbiome).

C: Add soluble fiber if needed.

D: Use gelatin / bone broth if tolerated.

E: Look at colostrum (Sovereign labs or MegaIGG are both good).

F: Address infections. (read John Herrons book, The Gut Health Protocol, he says almost the same things I would say to you, 98% of the time)

G: Consider Bone marrow (fresh or pills for nourishing your gut / body.)

H: Look at eating liver or taking pills for overall nutrition (check zinc / copper first as liver contains copper and can drive copper high, which is really bad – Note: liver almost never fixes low iron levels, but can provide other valuable nutrients).

I: If you drink / use caffeine, do so in moderation and find what works for you. Many are able to recover using these in moderation!

13: Don’t forget about other nutrients (Vitamin D, B12) and other issues that may be holding you back. Study this page: https://stopthethyroidmadness.com/ducks-in-a-row/

14: Feel totally overwhelmed? It’s common! You are not alone. Look for a family member or friend to help you study and learn!

15: Don’t focus on magic cures. Yes some things might make you feel better in the short term. Long term, it’s about addressing deficiencies, infections, and for most thyroid patients it’s about using thyroid meds to replace what your body isn’t making while supporting cortisol. Thyroid meds are a part of healing for many and that’s fine.

16: NDT doesn’t work for you? There is a reason. Study this page carefully: https://stopthethyroidmadness.com/ndt-doesnt-work-for-me/

17: Be mindful / spiritual to whatever extent is helpful to you, if this isn’t your thing, just allow yourself some quiet time each day, even if it’s just a few minutes. Use Yoga, Meditation, massage, acupuncture, whatever helps YOU relax.

18: Always run the right labs. The more information you have the better.https://stopthethyroidmadness.com/recommended-labwork/

19: Using T4 only? Study this: https://stopthethyroidmadness.com/t4-only-meds-dont-work/

20: Don’t give up. Keep fighting!

Assistance programs and resources for paying for medication / labs (Thyroid Meds)

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Goodrx is a valuable option for reduced price medication.  It essentially works as a coupon, sometimes with dramatic discounts.
https://www.goodrx.com/

Partnership for Prescription Assistance:

https://www.pparx.org/

Resources for finding health insurance:

https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/

LapCorp discounts for those without insurance coverage for labs:

https://www.labcorp.com/content/who-can-use-lap-program

Quest Diagnostics assistance program:

https://www.questdiagnostics.com/home/about/corporate-citizenship/community-giving/assistance.html

Costco discount program:
https://www.costco.com/wcsstore/CostcoUSBCCatalogAssetStore/rx/cmppenrollmentform.pdf

A tip from a group member:

“Another thing to note if you have a large bill after insurance pays, call when you have enough to pay off at least half and ask for what discount you can get for payment in full. I was shocked that they are happy to clear an account for 50%. The first bill I called to pay off after my husband’s chemo & surgeries told me to ask every bill with a balance. They all offered 50% except for one which was 75% off. –  I was grateful the first one I called told me. I just asked for all of them to send me a paid in full receipt and they did! Saved almost 4k.”

Ask for medication samples!

Financial assistance for those with Thyroid cancer:

An excerpt shared with us from Light of Life Thyroid Cancer Survivors  Please visit the site for more details.

“**Last year, Patient Access Network Foundation (PAN) and ThyCa: Thyroid Cancer Survivors’ Association announced a new alliance to provide support for people living with thyroid cancer.

From Gary Bloom, ThyCa’s Executive Director, ” We are thrilled to work with PAN, and to provide extended support to our patients and families. This alliance will connect us to even more patients in need, expanding the number we are able to help, and hopefully alleviating some of the financial pressures that come with the diagnosis, treatment and management of thyroid cancer.””

Also from Light of Life Thyroid Cancer Survivors the following criteria apply:

From the site: Patients who qualify for the PAN Foundation’s thyroid cancer program are eligible to receive up to $12,000 per year in financial assistance. Eligible patients must be getting treatment for thyroid cancer; must reside and receive treatment in the United States; must have Medicare health insurance; and the medication for which they seek assistance must be covered by Medicare and must treat the disease directly. In addition, patients must fall at or below 500 percent of the Federal Poverty Level.

How to Apply:

Patients, or advocates and caregivers applying on their behalf, can apply for assistance using the PAN Foundation’s online patient portal (www.panapply.org), or by calling 1-866-316-7263, 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. Eastern Time, Monday through Friday. To learn more about PAN’s more than 50 disease-specific programs, visit panfoundation.org.
https://panfoundation.org/index.php/en/patients

Additional resources from Light of Life Thyroid Cancer Survivors.

**There is also assistance strictly for Thyrogen.
http://www.thyrogen.com/patients/Financial-Assistance/Financial-Assistance-Programs.aspx

Financial Assistance Programs
If you have health insurance…
The Thyrogen Co-Pay Assistance Program is here to help you with the cost of Thyrogen.

Eligible patients qualify for a $0 co-pay subject to a maximum annual co-pay assistance amount of $1,000. This may include any manner of co-pay, co-insurance, or deductible.

If you have questions about eligibility or program benefits, please call your ThyrogenONE case manager at 1-88-THYROGEN (1-888-497-6436)

**Lastly, check out CANCERCARE’s financial assistance information at https://www.cancercare.org/financial.
A book, ‘A Helping Hand: The Resource Guide for People With Cancer’ is available as well at
https://www.cancercare.org/helpinghand.

Group Files – Members Only

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You must be a group member and logged into your facebook account to view these files.  If you can’t view them, make sure you are signed into your facebook account. If you still get an error – try viewing the files from a desktop computer.  Files do NOT seem to work from all mobile devices.

These are informational only and are NOT medical advice.  Use the information at your person discretion and that of your doctors.

Acronyms
Adrenal Cocktail
Adrenal / Thyroid Relationship
Antidepressants/Benzodiazepines & Adrenal Fatigue/Hypothyroid
Autoimmune Protocol (AIP)
B12
Bad Saliva Tests
Birth Control- Synthetic Hormones
Blood Sugar Dysregulation
CBD Oil
Cortisol- how to lower
Cortisol- how to raise (Replace what the body isn’t making)
Crisis Hotline
Cross Reactivity- Foods that act like gluten
DATS- Daily Average Temperature
DUTCH- why it’s not good for cortisol
EBV (Epstein Barr Virus)
Eliminating Chronic Acid Reflux and Indigestion
Endos- why not to use them
Essential Oils
Estrogen Dominance
Exercise for Adrenal Fatigue
Free T3- How to Raise Naturally
Gallbladder
Glutamate & GABA Balance
Genetic Thyroid Hormone Resistance
Getting Started
Hair Loss
Hashimoto’s
Hives & Hypothyroid
Hypoglycemia
Interview Questions When Looking for a New Doctor
Iodine
Iron
Keto Diet
LDN (Low Dose Naltrexone)
Links For Doctors
Lyme Disease
Lymph
MTHFR
Magnesium & Adrenal Fatigue
Melatonin
Negative Feedback Loop
PCOS
Parasites
Pill Splitter
Potassium and Sodium
Potassium- Problems With Testing
RBC testing
Recommended Labs & Self Testing Links
Reverse T3
Salt
Sex Hormones
Sleep
Standard Process Thytrophin PMG
Stomach Acid
T4 – Not the best choice
Thyroid Nodules Epidemic/ Thyroid Cancer
Thyroid & Mental Health
Westminster NDT
Why We Don’t Test on Supplements
Bone Health
Thyrogold/Thyrovanz
Talk Therapy
Thiamine (Vitamin B1)
Lactoferrin
Bootable Offenses
By patients for patients- no coaches/consultants
Statins- not a great idea for most
Cholesterol
Aldosterone
Blood Pressure
Mold
Disclaimer
Lithium Orate
Goitrogens
Afflilate Links/Codes
Flu Vaccine for Thyroid/Adrenal patients
Compounding Pharmacies
Authorized Contributors
Relationships & Hashimoto’s
Cushings
Gut Inflammation
NDT out of the U.S.
Adrenal Cortex/Hydrocortisone Mistakes

Blocking blue light – Orange Glasses

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Check out this article we found: https://www.consumerreports.org/eyeglass-stores/3-blue-blockers-put-to-the-test/?fbclid=IwAR1AJhdd9DtDyNESwLB5XArM_38NyPRo9jO_3j4amzsKsva29J56DGH_ZrQ

In an ideal world, we would get off ALL electronics around sundown to match what our bodies evolved with – light from the sun followed by darkness — maybe lit up by the moon and fire.  Instead most of us are bombarded with bright blue light in the evenings that tell our body it’s time to wake up.  Many people have found that it’s hard to get away from that bright light at night, so they choose to use glasses like the ones below to reduce the intensity / make the color tone more red.

 

Top picks for night use: ( I rotate some, but typically use one of these top 2 glasses)

Spectra 479 glasses also block some green light, which may have added benefit over some other glasses (TECHNICAL SPECS – Tested to block 100% of light from 280 – 490nm (this includes UV). Blocks 99.82% of light in the critical 450 – 510nm range. This is the most disruptive wavelength of light at night. It is also the same frequency of light that is blasted directly into your eyeballs from electronic devices! Always wear protection!):

Another favorite at this point. (make sure to get the amber max lense for night use).  I personally like the feel of these frames slightly better than the first one, but the top lenses feel like they block slightly more colors, but also have a bright tone to what you see.  If I’m out in a store or similar, I prefer this one.  At home at night, I like the lenses in the top one a lot.


VERY similar to the first glasses, but a larger style so it can sit on top of other glasses.  A top choice if you wear prescription glasses and don’t want the expense of a extra set of prescription glasses that are tinted to block blue light:


Very cheap, but effective options. Very much just like plain old safety glasses. Tolerable, but not super comfortable.


These are red glasses.  I’ve come across some information that people have even more good results when they wear red glasses the last hour or two before bed.  These appear out of stock as of March 2021


For daytime computer / indoor use, some choose to use a 30%-60% or so blue blocking glasses.  I do NOT consider these suitable for night time use in my opinion.  I have the pair of gunnar for computer use.  The bottom pair has been suggested by others for a lower cost option.

Optimal Thyroid Results

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Learn more about optimal values From Stop The Thyroid Madness here: https://stopthethyroidmadness.com/lab-values/

This page is a tool for members of Adrenal Fatigue and Thyroid Care

Many many people ask us for more precise number of where patients land when optimal.  This tool is not so that you focus on a ridgid black and white number, but to help give you an idea of where patients land when optimal.  This is based on our (AFTC) interpretation of optimal values.

Optimal Thyroid Values

Free T3
Optimal Free T3—

Free T3 is optimal near the top of the range, but virtually always above this number.

Free T4
Optimal Free T4—

Free T4 is optimal near the middle of the range when not on meds or on NDT.

Reverse T3
Optimal Reverse T3—

Reverse T3 is optimal very close to or below this number. This one is approximate, and is especially helpful for foreign ranges where keeping within 2 to 3 points over the bottom may not apply.

New Book from Paul Robinson: The Thyroid Patient’s Manual: Recovering from Hypothyroidism from Start to Finish

Disclaimer: Nothing here is medical advice.  We are simply reporting what patients have told us.  It’s up to you to make your own decisions as to what to use and take.  Please check with your doctor if in any doubt.  Nothing on this page is intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease in any way and is only a report of what patients have told us they use.  We make no claims about the effectiveness of these products.

While we focus a lot on direct patient experience and Stop The Thyroid Madness.  We have great respect for the work Paul Robinson has done.

Historically his focus has been on T3 only with his prior books,  Recovering with T3: My Journey from Hypothyroidism to Good Health Using the T3 Thyroid Hormone and The Ct3m Handbook.

On May 31st 2018 Paul is releasing a new book: The Thyroid Patient’s Manual: Recovering from Hypothyroidism from Start to Finish.  I don’t have a copy of the book as of this writing, so can’t share personal experience.

Paul has stated multiple times that T3 only should not be a first line approach.  We agree, based on all we have seen, it is much easier to have some T4 in a person treatment — but this doesn’t work out well for everyone.

For many patients, we suggest starting with: Stop the Thyroid Madness: A Patient Revolution Against Decades of Inferior Treatment 2nd Edition.

Here is more about Paul’s new book, in his own words.

The info below is what Paul shared with me about his new book:

The ‘Thyroid Patient’s Manual’

It will available on 31st May from all Internet bookseller sites, including Amazon, Barnes Noble and The Book Depository. It may well be on pre-order NOW.

A PRACTICAL GUIDE TO GETTING IN THE DRIVER’S SEAT AND GAINING SOME CONTROL OF YOUR HEALTH!

The Thyroid Patient’s Manual is a practical, easy-to-read book, which provides an excellent resource for people who are trying to understand hypothyroidism. It is aimed at patients who suspect they have low thyroid hormone levels, those who have just been diagnosed and are beginning treatment and those who are on thyroid treatment already, but are still feeling ill.

This book deals with all the main thyroid hormone treatment options, including T4 (Levothyroxine), NDT (natural desiccated thyroid), T3 (Liothyronine) and all combinations.

An easy-to-grasp series of steps is presented that includes background facts on the thyroid and adrenal hormones, diagnosis of hypothyroidism and finding the right treatment for you. Importantly, all the common problems that can get in the way are also discussed, along with their solutions. It is written in a straightforward way – which is so critical to someone who feels ill.

The Thyroid Patient’s Manual gives you the tools needed to gain some control of your health, and be able to work productively with your doctor, so that you can recover your health as fast as possible.
It is also consistent with recent research studies on thyroid diagnosis and treatment. Due to this last point, the book may be helpful to open-minded doctors who wish to do the very best for their thyroid patients.

Note: This book does not replace either of the previous two books (Recovering with T3 and The CT3M Handbook), which are vital to read for those trying to use the T3 thyroid hormone safely and successfully.

Comments so far from thyroid patients who have seen pre-release copies include:

“It is the best thyroid book out there for sure!”
“The book has really helped me understand it all better.”
“I finish reading a section, and then it runs through my head, how everything connects!”
“There are a lot of thyroid books out there that people have to discover and choose. I think this is better than any of the ones I’ve read. I feel so much better informed now.”
“This is the tidy, straight to-the-point book to guide you through hypothyroidism, from what it is and how to test for it, to how to treat it. I wish I had had this when I started my Hashi’s journey.”
“I definitely think this book serves quite a large need: something concise that the brain foggy can make through in a quick enough time, to serve them when they desperately need help.”

To see how the new book fits with the others:
http://recoveringwitht3.com

 

Iron — What patients report to us that they do about low iron…

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To start with — lots of good information on this page from STTM about iron.

Disclaimer: Nothing here is medical advice.  We are simply reporting what patients have told us.  It’s up to you to make your own decisions as to what to use and take.  Please check with your doctor if in any doubt.  Nothing on this page is intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease in any way and is only a report of what patients have told us they use.  We make no claims about the effectiveness of these products.

Patients tell us over and over they have learned proper testing for iron is critical.  Please ensure you understand iron and optimal values.

Patients tell us they often try more than one form of iron before they find one that agrees with them. Some report they do better with a product that has fewer fillers, binders or dyes.

We see many patients report taking Lactoferrin with iron.  Have a read over this article to understand more about why some use Lactoferrin.

One that people mention is Best Naturals Lactoferrin 250 mg, available directly from the manufacturer.

People say Proferrin Clear is an option they choose if they need a product with less fillers and no dyes. It is available directly from the manufacturer.

Another one people mention is Thorne Iron Bisglycinate, available directly from the manufacturer.

People have told us this is another well tolerated iron. Make sure to study this page to understand the doses people normally take, people tell us they can use a bottle like this in around a week.

We also have patients tell us they take Vitamin C when they take iron.

Patients also tell us that they have found working on stomach acid helpful.  Please study this page to learn about low stomach acid.

Many have told us they use NOW Foods Betaine HCl 648 mg to help with low stomach acid.

Optimal Saliva Test Results Calculator

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Carefully fill in the form below to automatically calculate optimal values for your salvia test based on patient experience.

These are approximate numbers to give you a ballpark idea of what to aim for.  There will be some individual variability.  For example a morning calculated at 9.5; the results of 9.4, 9.3 and maybe 9.2 could also be optimal for some.  

Other than the night, which is often at the very bottom of the range, this isn’t about ridgid numbers, this is to give you an idea of what patients aim for.

This is based on information gathered by Stop The Thyroid Madness.

Optimal Saliva Test Results

Morning – waking
Optimal morning value (very close)—
Noon
Optimal noon value (or slightly higher)—
Evening – typically 4 to 5
Optimal evening value (or close)—
Night – bedtime sample
Optimal bedtime value—

With most labs this lands right at or very close to this value.